WE’VE DESCENDED INTO SOME SORT OF BIZARRE HELL-WORLD IN WHICH PIERS MORGAN IS A VOICE OF SANITY: Megyn Kelly and Andrew Klavan Watch Piers Morgan “Trans” Guest Melt Down When He Asks What “Non-Binary” Means:
On Substack, Stephen Knight sets the scene: Laurie Penny’s car crash appearance on Piers Morgan Uncensored reveals a lot about nonsensical new identities.
Laurie Penny is a British author and feminist. And she has always been insufferable. Penny exemplifies that deeply obnoxious combination of privilege, faux-radicalism and a cluelessness that forces satirists to up their game. In fact, if Laurie Penny didn’t exist, it’d be necessary for Andrew Doyle to invent her.
I did naively assume she may dial down the trendy, cringe inducing student activism given she is quickly approaching her 40’s. But there are no signs of that happening if her recent appearance on ‘Piers Morgan Uncensored’ is anything to go by.
Penny was 1 of 5 panellists on Morgan’s show to discuss the recent arrest of comedy writer Graham Linehan for social media posts. Penny of course had absolutely nothing of value to say about that, doing her very best to justify Linehan’s arrest.
But it’s what she said (or rather couldn’t manage to) a little later that was the most illuminating part of the discussion.
This transcript of what happens when Morgan asks Penny to define “non-binary” is such a nonsensical word salad that it would astonish even Kamala Harris:
A transcript of the Laurie Penny on Piers Morgan shit show. They/them is truly the grift that keeps on giving:
(Piers Morgan)
Blaire's a trans woman. Why don't we let her answer?
(Laurie Penny)
I'm also transgender.
(Piers Morgan)
Which trans are you, if you don't mind me asking?…— Julie Bindel (@bindelj) September 9, 2025
Transcript continues:
MORGAN: Which trans are you, if you don’t mind me asking?
PENNY: I’m non-binary.
MORGAN: What does that mean?
PENNY: I’m a non-binary person. I use they, them pronouns. Sorry, are we going to spend… Do we really want to spend the rest of this discussing my personal gender identity?
MORGAN: You’re the one who mentioned it. I didn’t even know.
BLAIRE WHITE: This is a nightmare.
MORGAN: Okay, so now I know. I’m just asking you what that means.
PENNY: Like, do you really want to discuss this?
MORGAN: You raised the subject of yourself being trans. I’m simply asking…
WHITE: Can I finish my point? It’s always a non-binary person speaking over a transsexual.
MORGAN: It’s really interesting to me. You raised it, not me. I didn’t even know. So now you’ve raised it. What does that actually mean? What do you mean, you’re non-binary?
PENNY: Are you really, really just gonna…
MORGAN: Can you explain it?
PENNY: Are you gonna cut Blaire off now?
MORGAN: I’m just asking you to explain. I’ll come back to Blaire in a moment.
WHITE: Well, you were the one that cut me off, Sis, but I will say…
MORGAN: Sorry, Blaire, wait one second. I just want to ask, what do you mean by non-binary?
PENNY: When I say I’m non-binary, I’m expressing my identity in a way that I have a right to do. What does that mean?
MORGAN: I’m sorry?
MORGAN: What’s your sexuality?
PENNY: My sexuality? It doesn’t have anything to do with my sexuality.
MORGAN: Actually, the UK government now says that people are male or female. The British Prime Minister says people are male or female.
PENNY: I don’t think the UK government should have the final say on how I express myself and how I’m treated. Well, they determine the laws of the country. I’m just curious what you mean by non-binary. MORGAN: What does that mean? PENNY: I go by they/them pronouns.
MORGAN: What does that mean? This is only one of you. What does they, them…
PENNY: Actually, they, them has been… The collective they has been used to refer to individual people for centuries and still is. So, if you don’t understand basic grammar, that’s on you.
MORGAN: I don’t understand. I’ve got to be honest with you. I don’t understand the concept of what non-binary means or why you would use a plural pronoun to describe a singular person. To me, this is the problem with the whole woke thing. It’s inexplicable. Nobody really knows what it means. I don’t know what you mean by non-binary, they, them. There’s one of you sitting here, and you look to me, female. You’re a female. Are you a female?
PENNY: If you don’t understand what non-binary means…
MORGAN: Are you a female?
PENNY: If you don’t understand what non-binary means, then I’m not sure you’re in a position to lead a debate.
MORGAN: So just tell me. But if you can’t explain it in simple language, then what’s the point?
WHITE: Explain what non-binary is. I can tell you exactly what being a transsexual is.
PENNY: It means that my gender identity is something other than man or woman. I’m a non-binary individual.
MORGAN: But you accept you’re a female?
PENNY: I don’t think that I’m here to discuss the contents of my underpants.
MORGAN: You raised this whole thing. I didn’t mention anything about what you were. You did. You said, I’m trans.
PENNY: This has really become uncomfortably personal. Has it?
MORGAN: You said it, not me.
In response, JK Rowling adds, “I hereby publicly announce that I am non-trinary:”
I hereby publicly announce that I am non-trinary. I identify as not man, not woman and not non-binary, because Laurie Penny just trashed that brand. I will be treating all questions on my new identity as though the asker is demanding nudes. You have been warned.
— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) September 9, 2025
In the clip at the top of this post, Klavan tells Kelly, “I’m not surprised that this person identifies as something they can’t even define. And the kind of self-righteous attitude they took like ‘how dare you ask me what I mean when I say something, sir.’ You know, ‘how dare you’ is comical, but it’s only comical in the in the context of this greater tragedy of people talking confused young people into madness.”